Why should we have to close the local chat to avoid spamming? - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

Kook~NBK~ · Jun 07, 2007, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by korcan

the op asked why he has to turn off local chat to avoid spam and the reason is because the in-game trading system is broke. im not whining, im simply giving the op an answer.

That is incorrect. The reason people spam trade crap on the local channel is because they believe that many people have the trade chat turned off, so they use local to get their sales pitch out to as many as possible (you can see this when they're spamming in both local & trade chat).

What the morons don't realize is that 1: People who have turned off the trade chat don't want to buy anything in the first place. and 2: Because of their all-chat spam, people are turning OFF the all-chat, which means they're losing potential traders! And 3: There are lots of people who refuse to buy things (not enough) advertized on the all-chat channel, making them lose even more potential customers and making their stays in town longer.

Maybe a good, quick-fix solution would be for A-net to come up with a "you are being ignored" warning every time someone puts you on ignore, instead of you only finding out when you try to PM someone who's put you on ignore. The fact that would really suck to go into a town, start spamming and start getting "you have been put on ignore" over and over again because of your mis-behavior.

freekedoutfish · Jun 08, 2007, 09:03 AM // 09:03

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

Maybe a good, quick-fix solution would be for A-net to come up with a "you are being ignored" warning every time someone puts you on ignore, instead of you only finding out when you try to PM someone who's put you on ignore. The fact that would really suck to go into a town, start spamming and start getting "you have been put on ignore" over and over again because of your mis-behavior.

The very simplest solution which Anet could put in place, is to increase the ignore list to within the 100s or to make it infinite.

If you mention your going to ignore someone, especially a spammer, their general attitude is this...

"The ignore list has a limit, so you'l have to take me off eventually, hahaha"

....does that give the impression that the ignore list is a deterant? It doesnt to me! Very simply because abusive players and spammers know you will eventually have to remove them if it gets full.

Yes there is the arguement that you dont meet enough abusive peopl ingame to warrant an increase, and that after a few days the chances of ever meeting that same player are slim so you can just remove them and make space.

But what if you add them on the list for good reason? why should you have to remove someone you added for legit reasons? You shouldnt!

If spammers knew that we could ignore as many people as we wanted, perminantly, then they realise "hmm... if I start spamming, everything in here will just ignore me, maybe I should cut back a bit!"

Theyd know that a player could enter LA, block every trade message in the local chat and filter it down to just normal conversations and then not have to worry about removing them later.

If every single player ingame did that, imagine how many people would get ignored within just a few days. People would soon realise spamming isnt within their best interests.

Spamming wont get dealt with unless we can take strong measures against it.

Yol · Jun 08, 2007, 10:05 AM // 10:05

Last night I found myself in Ascalon City int dis, which in the past has been a good place for me to buy certain items from other players. The local chat was nothing but trade spam (messages repeated at least 5 times in a row, and all that). I made a couple comments about spamming and got some unprintable replies. Undeterred, I posted one message every 5 minutes in trade channel, alternating between wtb [item] and wts passage scrolls and elite tomes. My messages were lost in the sea of spam as they zipped up the chat box. I noticed that wts unid was a common one that appeared uniquely in local....some of them initiated trade with me without even asking and they were all gold armours, presumably with the runes already stripped from them.

Just before I logged off, I received the message "st*u noob and learn how to trade properly"......which made me laugh because in the space of that hour I'd had 7 players sell me various amounts of [item], and I'd sold all of the passage scrolls and elite tomes. The same spam messages I'd seen at the start of the hour were still there when I logged off.

I never buy anything from players who put trade messages in local channel, and never sell to them either. I never trade with spammers. If spamming worked, you wouldn't need to do it because you would have already sold your item. The trade channel works, it is not 'broken'. If a player has switched trade channel off, s/he is not going to be interested in trade messages appearing in local channel.

Melei Hawke · Jun 08, 2007, 04:22 PM // 16:22

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Originally Posted by AxeMe

For people who are really bothered by trade spam, there's no need to turn off local ... just hang out in districts where you're less likely to find spammers. Whether it's a good thing, or a bad thing, hanging out in one of the trade centers and being shocked at finding local spam is sort of like sticking your hand in the fire and being outraged that it burned you.

Unfortunately spammers do not restrict themselves to district 1 of the main cities so this is not an option. Even the spammers struggle with district 1 so they invade the other districts and continue the spamming. Major hubs are not the only towns used, go to any town, any district and you will see spammers trying to trade their crap. Often in the less populated towns if you turn on the trade channel there is no traffic there at all...not used by anyone so again, the logic that traders have no other option is flawed. Grumbling that it is a-net's fault is a poor excuse...a-net gave traders the tools to use however the spammers don't care one bit about anything but themselves and rationalize it to be their right to take over all chat. We are not shocked, we are rightly irritated that spammers have completely taken over all chat and still have the trade chat as well. Their logic that there is too much spam in trade channel so they have no other option but to use all chat is flawed. The general population has little choice but to turn off both which is why the op is asking his question.

The only place I have been able to hold a general conversation recently is in places like the granite citidel, the bots don't talk and the rest of us can freely chat about them...

freekedoutfish · Jun 08, 2007, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by AxeMe

Whether it's a good thing, or a bad thing, hanging out in one of the trade centers and being shocked at finding local spam is sort of like sticking your hand in the fire and being outraged that it burned you.

So its ok for the spammers to start the fire?

We dont choose or ask for the spamming, so to say it should be expected and not to complain about it, isnt a solution or a positive attitude that will sort it out.

If you go to a supermarket, you expect the tills to be busy, and to have to wait to get served. But you still expect people to be polite and que up and take their time.

Would you accept it if you went to a supermarket and everyone was pushing into the checkout ques or everyone was fighting for the products on the shelf?

Would you accept it if you worked in a shop, and customers stood and shouted at you because you ran out of the product they wanted?

You could agrue that because you choose to work in a shop, you should expect to take abuse from customers because it happens and just stand there and take it.

But would you honestly do that? I worked in a shop for 4 years and I gave as good as I got all the time. We shouldnt be expected to just walk away and ignore spamming.

Regardless of whether we should expect capital cities to be busy and for there to be alot of messages. That doesnt mean people have a right to spam in capital cities because its "expected"!

Commander Ryker · Jun 08, 2007, 10:54 PM // 22:54

I've more or less resigned myself to the fact that this is always going to happen, no matter what kind of trade system we have. People are just rude and ignorant and don't care about anyone but themselves.

We have the trade chat, but no one listened, so now they use the all chat, and no one listens. We were given the party search window, no one uses it because they apparently haven't figured out how to shorten words. Even if we had an auction house, there would still be idiots spamming that they have stuff for sale in the auction house.

The only way they are ever going to be able to put a stop to this is by banning everyone who spams, no matter where they are doing it and an extra long time if they are doing it in all chat.

draceena · Jun 09, 2007, 10:03 PM // 22:03

I agree that it's rediculous that my ability to use All Chat has been taken away from me but in reality I'm not sure if it will ever truly get fixed.

When I first started playing Guild Wars 2 years ago (I was Beta Player as well), I remember having every chat line open, yes All Chat AND Trade chat and it was working fine. People kept Trade to Trade Channels, thoes who did not were gently and kindly reminded to use the Trade Chanel and this worked for awhile.

Then it seemed, the Trade Channel's started getting worse, more & more spam (repeated messages), so people, like me, started turning it off and even saying so to the spammers (I would see people telling the spammers in the trade chat to please stop the repeated message spam as they were not going to buy their items if they didn't stop).

Of course this didn't work and eventually the spam spread to the All Chat and this is where we are today. Unfortunately any kind of drive to make people use only the Trade Chat for it's purpose was mostly Player Driven, it wasn't untill much later that Anet finally stepped in and started forcing WTB and WTS to the Trade Channel, talk about a joke, a workaround was found right away. Then multi-messages were supressed so that it slowed down the spam (then it was later partly-recinded).

At this point I don't think we will ever be able to use All Chat again for it's intended purpose in every District ever again.

Hyper.nl · Jun 11, 2007, 08:47 AM // 08:47

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Originally Posted by Locutas

The SHOULD forgo the "Trade channel" lol .. and have a "Trade Zone" for buying and selling only ...1 zone purly for that ...A GRAND MARKET if you will , like the isle of trade , that all chars regardles of lvl can get to , (sort of like the temple of balthazar...)

A market zone is not the solution. As trader I don't only want to trade with other traders, but also hope that bypassers will read my trade message and make the trade if they want. If course, I only use the trade channel for my WTB/WTS messages, but many don't do this.

Lonesamurai · Jun 11, 2007, 09:23 AM // 09:23

I've had the local channel turned off pretty much since I started playing (and the trade channel for that matter) and only have it open when I do a show from in game or I'm in the guild hall and guildies are talking in local so teams can get set up for scrimms etc...

The only difference between now and the beginning is the spam has gotten worse and more frequent, but its always been there

freekedoutfish · Jun 11, 2007, 09:27 AM // 09:27

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Originally Posted by Hyper.nl

A market zone is not the solution. As trader I don't only want to trade with other traders, but also hope that bypassers will read my trade message and make the trade if they want. If course, I only use the trade channel for my WTB/WTS messages, but many don't do this.

You ever considered there is a reason for that?

Brain storm - they turn off the trade channel because they dont want to trade.

I find that an extremely worrying attitude and perfect example of why we have spam in the all channel. Your trying to justify trading in the all channel to get the attention of players, who have purposely turned off the trade channel to avoid trading!

How is the excusable?

Its like when your mobbed in the street by a women with a clipboard, trying to sign you up to a clothes catalogue. If I wanted to buy clothes, I would go to a clothes store!

Their annoying as hell, and we all try to avoid them with "sorry im busy"!

I appreciate you want to reach as large a market as you can, but if these people were even slightly interested in buying anything they would turn the trade channel on.

Do you not care that you're need to reach as large a market as possible, is preventing people from actually communicating?

You've stated you only post WTB and WTS in the trade channel, which I find confusing (besides the obvious filter). What is it your posting in the all channel? are you just re-wording it so it doesnt involve the usual trade lingo? Trade messages are trade messages regardless of how you word them.

freekedoutfish · Jun 11, 2007, 09:40 AM // 09:40

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

I've had the local channel turned off pretty much since I started playing (and the trade channel for that matter) and only have it open when I do a show from in game or I'm in the guild hall and guildies are talking in local so teams can get set up for scrimms etc...

The only difference between now and the beginning is the spam has gotten worse and more frequent, but its always been there

Thats true, but 18 months ago (when I started) you could atleast pick out a conversation on LA district 1 and talk to people.

Now its laughable to try and communicate with anything other then trade messages.

Lonesamurai · Jun 11, 2007, 10:06 AM // 10:06

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Thats true, but 18 months ago (when I started) you could atleast pick out a conversation on LA district 1 and talk to people.

Now its laughable to try and communicate with anything other then trade messages.

Agreed... but fnuh, what can we do...

Locutas · Jun 21, 2007, 08:58 AM // 08:58

Exelent NEWS today peps .... look at news when you log in .... There finaly cracking down ... ABOUT TIME eh... Soz I cant find were it is on guildwars.com , but , it is a very good thing...

freekedoutfish · Jun 21, 2007, 09:02 AM // 09:02

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Originally Posted by Locutas

Exelent NEWS today peps .... look at news when you log in .... There finaly cracking down ... ABOUT TIME eh... Soz I cant find were it is on guildwars.com , but , it is a very good thing...

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Guild_W..._announcements

"Players are reminded that the All (Local) Chat Channel is intended for social activities, and the Trade Channel is provided for all trade activities. Players using the All Chat Channel for trade spam are subject to an account mark. See the Conduct Breaches and Outcomes document on www.guildwars.com for more information. "

Hoorahhh!

Etta · Jun 21, 2007, 09:10 AM // 09:10

Victory for Fishey and most people in Guild Wars. Today all chat, tomorrow leecher!

Locutas · Jun 21, 2007, 09:14 AM // 09:14

Ty for that Fish .... much appriciated 8)

Gawa · Jun 21, 2007, 09:46 AM // 09:46

*punches fist in the air and does a jig* Arighty!

THANKS ANet!

See...they do listen to us.. we asked for Anet to add a note about the crackdown on spam, to inform more people, in the other thread.. and they did it.. remember that guys

Being sensible and polite with solid reasonings when we present a request/solution to Anet...goes a long way to being listened to.

Once again, nice work to all ANet staffers who take the time and effort to read our forums

Masseur · Jun 21, 2007, 02:09 PM // 14:09

Nice to be able to actually CHAT in the district 1 of any town, like Lion's Arch and not see your message scroll off the screen almost before you take your finger off the enter key.

/close as the OP's message is moot now

Jun 08, 2007, 10:05 AM // 10:05	#23
Yol Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: GameAmp Guides [AMP] Profession: E/	Last night I found myself in Ascalon City int dis, which in the past has been a good place for me to buy certain items from other players. The local chat was nothing but trade spam (messages repeated at least 5 times in a row, and all that). I made a couple comments about spamming and got some unprintable replies. Undeterred, I posted one message every 5 minutes in trade channel, alternating between wtb [item] and wts passage scrolls and elite tomes. My messages were lost in the sea of spam as they zipped up the chat box. I noticed that wts unid was a common one that appeared uniquely in local....some of them initiated trade with me without even asking and they were all gold armours, presumably with the runes already stripped from them. Just before I logged off, I received the message "stu noob and learn how to trade properly"......which made me laugh because in the space of that hour I'd had 7 players sell me various amounts of [item], and I'd sold all of the passage scrolls and elite tomes. The same spam messages I'd seen at the start of the hour were still there when I logged off. I never buy anything from players who put trade messages in local channel, and never sell to them either. I never trade with spammers. If spamming worked, you wouldn't need to do it because you would have already sold your item. The trade channel works, it is not 'broken'. If a player has switched trade channel off, s/he is not going to be interested in trade messages appearing in local channel. Last edited by Yol; Jun 08, 2007 at 10:08 AM // 10:08..*

Jun 08, 2007, 10:54 PM // 22:54	#26
Commander Ryker Site Contributor Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: R/	I've more or less resigned myself to the fact that this is always going to happen, no matter what kind of trade system we have. People are just rude and ignorant and don't care about anyone but themselves. We have the trade chat, but no one listened, so now they use the all chat, and no one listens. We were given the party search window, no one uses it because they apparently haven't figured out how to shorten words. Even if we had an auction house, there would still be idiots spamming that they have stuff for sale in the auction house. The only way they are ever going to be able to put a stop to this is by banning everyone who spams, no matter where they are doing it and an extra long time if they are doing it in all chat.

Jun 09, 2007, 10:03 PM // 22:03	#27
draceena Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2005	I agree that it's rediculous that my ability to use All Chat has been taken away from me but in reality I'm not sure if it will ever truly get fixed. When I first started playing Guild Wars 2 years ago (I was Beta Player as well), I remember having every chat line open, yes All Chat AND Trade chat and it was working fine. People kept Trade to Trade Channels, thoes who did not were gently and kindly reminded to use the Trade Chanel and this worked for awhile. Then it seemed, the Trade Channel's started getting worse, more & more spam (repeated messages), so people, like me, started turning it off and even saying so to the spammers (I would see people telling the spammers in the trade chat to please stop the repeated message spam as they were not going to buy their items if they didn't stop). Of course this didn't work and eventually the spam spread to the All Chat and this is where we are today. Unfortunately any kind of drive to make people use only the Trade Chat for it's purpose was mostly Player Driven, it wasn't untill much later that Anet finally stepped in and started forcing WTB and WTS to the Trade Channel, talk about a joke, a workaround was found right away. Then multi-messages were supressed so that it slowed down the spam (then it was later partly-recinded). At this point I don't think we will ever be able to use All Chat again for it's intended purpose in every District ever again.

Jun 11, 2007, 09:23 AM // 09:23	#29
Lonesamurai Furnace Stoker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cheltenham, Glos, UK Guild: Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS] Profession: R/A	I've had the local channel turned off pretty much since I started playing (and the trade channel for that matter) and only have it open when I do a show from in game or I'm in the guild hall and guildies are talking in local so teams can get set up for scrimms etc... The only difference between now and the beginning is the spam has gotten worse and more frequent, but its always been there

Jun 21, 2007, 08:58 AM // 08:58	#33
Locutas Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Unimatrix 01 Guild: Orion Syndicate Profession: W/R	Exelent NEWS today peps .... look at news when you log in .... There finaly cracking down ... ABOUT TIME eh... Soz I cant find were it is on guildwars.com , but , it is a very good thing...

Jun 21, 2007, 09:10 AM // 09:10	#35
Etta Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mancland, British Empire	Victory for Fishey and most people in Guild Wars. Today all chat, tomorrow leecher!

Jun 21, 2007, 09:14 AM // 09:14	#36
Locutas Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Unimatrix 01 Guild: Orion Syndicate Profession: W/R	Ty for that Fish .... much appriciated 8)

Jun 21, 2007, 09:46 AM // 09:46	#37
Gawa Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2007 Guild: [Oldschool Respect and Honour]	punches fist in the air and does a jig Arighty! THANKS ANet! See...they do listen to us.. we asked for Anet to add a note about the crackdown on spam, to inform more people, in the other thread.. and they did it.. remember that guys Being sensible and polite with solid reasonings when we present a request/solution to Anet...goes a long way to being listened to. Once again, nice work to all ANet staffers who take the time and effort to read our forums

Jun 21, 2007, 02:09 PM // 14:09	#38
Masseur Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Southern California Profession: R/Mo	Nice to be able to actually CHAT in the district 1 of any town, like Lion's Arch and not see your message scroll off the screen almost before you take your finger off the enter key. /close as the OP's message is moot now